i attended recently a circuit assembly and notice a change in the wording of the 2nd baptismal question .it used to be :.
"do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of jehovah's witnesses in association with god's spirit-directed organization?
now they changed it to :.
another degree of distance between the WTBTS and the rank and file?
when a JW hits the news for all the wrong reasons, the WTBTS can say ''oh, he/she is only an associate of an association...we are not even an organization''.
If this is true (and I think it will be confirmed) it has legal department stamped all over it. technicalities of words at play here.
oz
They will be the greatest happyness you have ever known and the greatest pain you will experience.
they will make you proud and they will reduce you to a worried mess
they will turn your world upside down and you will be glad and annoyed at the same time.
They can make a great relationship better and destroy a bad relationship.
Some people who have kids shouldn't and some who can't should.
And all the advice and information from others wont help you a bit, you have to try it find out....
oz
i remember in my kingdom hall one of our 5 elders bro.
"smith" had a gossipy wife sis "smith" who would be known to gossip from the time she enter the hall until she left.
i don't know how she never was reproved or counseled for her gossiping.
well that all depends on what the gossip is doesn't it?
If it's about who is having a fight with who or made up shit then probably not.
But if the wife tells the truth about pedaphiles in the hall you can bet he will be...
Oz
hi, brothers and friends!.
would make me happy if you say a prayer or wish me good luck!.
been an exciting day, training with you guys before the rumble in the jungle tomorrow!.
Even though they have been rather more accomodating than western elder bodies, the result will be the same.
They want to silence you. Brooklyn will have told them to silence you or DF. They get the same directives as all the others, just find it culturely harder to apply perhaps.
You stop what you are doing, they win, keep going and you will be disfellowshipped. Rest assured, they do not think you have a point. They will not agree with you and at the final jump will DF you for disobeying the Governing Body F&DS.
Oz
https://sites.google.com/site/silence1492/facebook-youtube.
.
yeah...one of my old facebook play with them names is there.
Sad and funny how they had to add somes sexual preference,
more funny was the ''involved in a scam''...oh my, if only they knew how many 'ggod' JWs are involved in get rich quick scams!
the list only makes me want to go back in and have more fun with them.
Oz
more haphazard thougths on the recently concluded elder school..... a big chunk of time was spent on a video which traced a judicial case, all the way from the confession to the elders through the decision to disfellowship the guy.. here is a very brief synopsis of the video:.
tearful late-teen or early-20's publisher confesses to 2 elders that he committed fornication with a "worldly girl" who is now preganant and wants to marry him.
the elders give him some "homework" to do prior to his judcial committee - read psalm 51 and an old wt article.
They gunna get tougher and tougher, and squeeze out the free thinkers, whether elders or Rank and file.
Tow the party line or get out...
Oz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=citaz613koc.
.
cedars.
and what would happen if women stopped being in subjection, Stephen Combover?
They would end up kicking 7 butts out of brooklyn and take over the religion i imagine!
Oz
when discussing the argument of how life originated the wt always boils it down to being chance vs. intelligent design.. no scientist in their right mind believes it happened by chance.
nor do most scientists believe that life is a product of god.. there is a solution that the wt completely ignores and that is... natural selection.. how many here who believe in a creator have honestly examined what natural selection really is?.
(i've been reading "the god delusion" by richard dawkins and was very surprised when i came to the chapter that actually mentions the watchtower society's arguments for intelligent design.
Yes there IS a third option that makes far more sense...(to me)
IT DOES NOT MATTER!
We are here, more time and effort should be spent working out far more complex and important social issues than arguing about how we got here and when.
oz
it was about 6 weeks or so ago that i excitedly posted that i had gotten a job that i had been interviewed for.
in the weeks that have passed i have been in contact trying to find out about my paper work - i still have not gotten a letter of appointment, an offer or a contract.
i have expressed concern at their lack of professionalism but that falls on deaf ears.
Do you really want to work for an organization like that anyway?
Oz
i've raised this idea before but recent events seem to support it.
changes in the watchtower may be guided by more than a need for cash flow: they may simply be liquidating/shutting it down as discreetly as possible.. of course, this doesn't mean they stop working on their upstate ny country club - but it could mean that the throrough going exposure and disproof of their beliefs on the internet, when it emerged, took many of them by surprize, as it did many of us!
after awhile, they generally gave up trying to make any sense of their doctrines - and coupled with cash flow issues - moved towards a quiet retreat.. take a look at a few things:.
It would come at no great surprise if a good many religions are controlled by outsiders Mr Flipper.
Tax free legal money laundering?
oz
